Employers Rx LLC
I came across an interesting website developed by Mr. Ed Shull called Filthy Lucre. Ed owns and operates USWeb LLC, a small online marketing and website development company based in Henderson, Nevada. Ed's website Filty Lucre not only is a showcase for his talented firm's programming capabilities and techniques, but he created a thought provoking community where visitors and members can post and exchange photos, videos and join in the "conversation".
The website has many interesting articles on a wide range of subject matters, including Health and Medicine, Lifestyle, Money and Community. While checking out some of the articles and comments, I came across a section aptly entitled The Working Affluent. The next thing to catch my eye is the headline - Complaints about TriNet HR Services.
Ed had recently signed on with TriNet HR Services for his small company at the relatively small fee of $1,860 per employee. Almost twice the average industry rate of $1,000 - $1,200 per employee.
Like I said, you can't make this up.
By Ed Shull, CEO USWeb LLC
I’m not a paperwork guy. As the CEO of a small business, with a few contractors (that really felt more like employees after a while), I decided that if I was going to take the step to have employees, I would need to do it right. I wanted to make sure I offered a competitive compensation package that included 401k, health insurance, life insurance, etc…
So I started to search around for ways solutions I came across a company that was referred to me a few years ago, Trinet. Trinet offers HR services as a PEO (professional employment organization). People often refer to this as employee leasing. Think of it as hiring whoever you want through a temp agency like Kelly Services. They take care of all the tax and insurance paperwork, and you just pay the agency a fee as a vendor. The fee was relatively small at $1,860 per employee, per year, so I decided that this would be the best of both worlds.
The Sign Up Process for Trinet
I have to say that of all the vendors I have ever worked with, none seemed so utterly incompetent as Trinet when it came to the sign up process. They would send over documents without instructions, or that were dated wrong. They would lose stuff I sent. The best part is that I would go through long spurts of not hearing from them, after confirming that everything was ready to go, and then all of sudden get a flurry of emails from them marked as urgent, saying they needed more paperwork from me.
Once, and I swear this is true, I was told weeks before that we were truly ready to go. There would be no further delays. A couple days before the payroll date, I contacted my rep there to ask about the amount they would be taking out. I didn’t hear back. But then , a day or two before payday, I get around 3 - 4 emails, all marked urgent, saying I need to call them right away. I happened to be out of town, so I didn’t get these messages until around 2pm. I called the main rep, she wasn’t around. So I called another rep I had dealt with, who had also emailed me saying I needed to call him and that it was urgent. When I got a hold of him and asked what they needed, he said, I and I swear this is true, he didn’t know. So they had spent most of the morning trying to reach me, but didn’t know why. I asked him if my payroll was going to go out. He didn’t know.
Payroll didn’t go out that week, so once again I had to scramble to cut checks myself. This went of for literally months. The best part is, they charged me retroactively for this time with the insurance. Insurance my employees weren’t aware they had. We had received no ID cards or selected any plans yet. But of course I had to pay for it.
The ongoing problems with Trinet
Since we worked out those initial issues, I would love to say things have gotten better, but I cannot. Each pay period is an exercise in patients, and comes with it’s own little set of grief. I have asked Trinet on numerous occasions to send me an email letting me know the exact dollar amount they attend on deducting. I set up a bank account specifically for payroll, and I need to transfer the funds into that account. Each time I ask, I’m assured that invoices are sent out ahead of time. The closest this has come unsolicited was last pay period when I got a notice after 3:30pm that funds would be taken out the next day. I got a follow up email from Trinet the next morning that they were unable to get the funds. So despite me asking for several days notice, I couldn’t even get a 24 hour notice.
One of the documents I filled out was to my bank, allowing Trinet to request a funds transfer. I had this hand walked into my banker, as well as got Trinet a copy in case of any issues. My bank has done things like this for me in the past without incident. And there have been no incident on the money transfer issue until this past payment. All of a sudden, after 3 - 4 consecutive successful transfers, Trinet is reporting my bank will not honor the request. They tell me this on Christmas eve and they want me to go to the bank “right away” to wire the fund manually. I explained to them that I was on vacation with my family and that they needed to work this out with the bank directly (that’s why they have a copy of that document), but for some reason it was determined that the easiest way for this to be handled was to have me go down to the bank on Christmas Eve. By the time we went back and forth on this, it was late enough that going to the bank was not an option. So they said I could cut my vacation short and go on the 26th.
Trinet had not real response to my question about why my bank would not honor the document I gave them. They just decided that it was too much trouble I guess. So as of now, employees checks have not been cut.
For the sake of not rambling on forever, I have actually not gone into other issues I have encountered with Trinet. I have not gone into the fact that none of the amounts they deduct make a lot of sense. But they are so screwed up, I know that if I open that can of worms, it will never be solved.
I do have to say that the main rep I deal with there, Angela, is quite nice. I feel genuinely bad when I start bitching about things to her because she clearly doesn’t control any of it. But she doesn’t strike me as overly surprised with all these issues. I get the feeling this must happen a lot.
There have also been issue with their website when trying to make changes for employees, or anything else. They brag that their technology is based around Peoplesoft. As someone who has worked with Peoplesoft, I know that’s not something to brag about. I have never seen a successful Peoplesoft implementation. And I don’t believe Trinet has either. It’s a crap system, and is likely the cause to much of Trinet’s issues.
So if you’re looking for something to make Hr a little more simple, I would not look at Trinet. I spend an obscene amount of time dealing with their issues, and apologizing to employees, which is exactly the opposite of what they are supposed to be doing. You’re better off looking to your bank or other places. I’m not saying that PEO’s or employee leasing is a bad model, I’m just saying that Trinet is not a company I would recommend trusting with your business.
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